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Greetings from sunny Zagreb

So I finally took a ride on my bike some days ago, and took a few pictures. They're not some awesome quality, but I like them enough. The city is very beautiful in the spring time.

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palcica
Apr. 23rd, 2008 07:09 am (UTC)
Yeah, it's warm. A bit cloudy, but the temperature is warm enough to wear short sleeves almost every day. It gets a bit chilly in the evening, but not very - the regular cotton long sleeved shirt is enough.

I'm glad you liked the photos :) Unlike those in the community, these are completely mine - I took them, so I'm even more glad.

If you come to Zagreb, tell me, and I can show you around. I think it looks most beautiful in the spring time, but most people come to Croatia in the summer - because they go to the coast - and alot of them skip Zagreb completely - wich imo is a shame, because there is really alot to see here.
bih_friend
Apr. 23rd, 2008 07:45 pm (UTC)
I think I remember you mentioning that your mother is moving to Prague. What will she be doing there? Prag is a lot of fun. Where do you want to travel becides Zagreb, Dubrovnik and the coast??
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bih_friend
Apr. 24th, 2008 04:00 am (UTC)
Having spent a year in Sarajevo, I am a bit biased. There are lots of interesting places in BiH ... Mostar, of course is famous for its bridge and old city ... but at the same time also has its share of tourists. Depending on which direction you travel, you can find medeteranian climate, mountains and medieval forests. You can find some specific idesa on my journal using the filter "travel": http://bih-friend.livejournal.com/tag/travel
palcica
Apr. 24th, 2008 07:54 am (UTC)
I hope you don't mind if I jump in too.

Kosovo, ha? To tell you the truth, I don't recommend it. I've never been there, but I follow their situation in the media quite alot and... I really don't believe there's much to see there. I don't know, maybe I'm just being clueless about their touristic potential, but... Kosovo is very poor. The capital, Priština, seems from the pictures I've seen, very dirty and unsafe... no interesting architecture or touristy interesting sights. The unemployment rate in Kosovo is extremely high - about 60-70%, if not even more, and the entire state functions on mafia, even their prime minister has the reputation of a very high ranking in mafia circles.

And Belgrade - I don't think there's really the need to be extra careful (not more than anywhere else). We Croats really didn't have good experients lately with Serbs (like other ex-yu nations), but they're generally very nice and friendly people. Alot of people from Croatia often go there for business and no one's ever had problems, and they all have good experiences. And Belgrade is very famous for it's great night life, so you'll definitely have a good time. And they have great food too.

I have a friend on this croatian forum where I often hang out, from Belgrade, and he always tells all the news and it seems like a nice place. It's really booming economically lately (unlike the rest od Serbia) and the city has some really amazing sights. I have plans to go there too (one day soon).

Bosnia has one of the most amazing nature that you'll have ever seen.

And Slovenia is definitely a must see. Very small and cute and so green. And the capital, Ljubljana is very clean and neat and very pretty. And the lake Bled, with an island with a little church in the middle, right beside the huge cliff with a castle on top... and all surrounded by forest... it's very nice. And they have lots af beautiful mountains (the Alps begin in Slovenia).

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palcica
Apr. 24th, 2008 09:17 am (UTC)
American embassy wasn't the only one that got damaged. They set fire on slovenian embassy too, and also attacked croatian embassy - although at that time, Croatia didn't even recognize Kosovo's independenc yet. It was probably colateral damage, since it's situated in the same street as american embassy, only abot 50-100m distance away.

But I don't believe you'd have problems for being an American. Really - and not just in Belgrade, but anywhere in Serbia. Just like they don't lick the floor when a Russian comes. It's just the politics. We were in a war with them, and today nobody has any problem when they go there.

Protests against Kosovo independence were pretty massive, but what the world media didn't say was that there was abot 300000 people that came to support the protest and a big (a huge) majority of them left in a peaceful manner, except for 1-2000 who later went to demolish the city. Not just the embassys, but also as you say McDonald's, the shops etc. Their most famous street, Knez Mihajlova, was in a complete mess. This part of the protest was directly orchestrated and approved by their prime minister Koštunica, and everyone knows it. His governement was because of the Kosovo independence and a bad country leading on very shaky legs, and so he tried to gain cheap political points by creating the mass histeria.

The day after, I went to their popular site, b92, and read the comments of what was going on in the city and they were all enraged and ashamed, and said that now the world will again think that they're some crazy barbarians and why can't they for once have peace.

My forum friend also often says that he dreams for the day to come when Serbia will finally become boring (in the sense of media interest in them).

Don't worry - if you go there, not only that you won't have problems for being an American, but most likely they'll be extra friendly to you, to prove that they're not so bad as world media (and Hollywood movies) make them.
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palcica
Apr. 24th, 2008 01:11 pm (UTC)
I also think they're better off without Kosovo, but people there are still very emotional about current situation. All international big political leaders say that Kosovo got their independence because Serbs were treating them badly, and it's not that that's not true (it is) but Albanians are not innocent either... far from it actually. This story isn't so simple as it's being thrown to public face. For Serbs Kosovo is sacred land. They have the say "Kosovo je srce Srbije" (Kosovo is the heart of Serbia) and losing it hurts alot. Basically the serbian identity started there hundreds of years ago, and now it's suddenly not theirs anymore, and Albanians get to have 2 states! It's very unfair from their perspective (and I tend to actually agree with them about this).

Like you say, they should now try to get into the EU, but that's not going easy for them either, because they had sanctions for a long time, which left them practically isolated from the rest of the world - did you know that about 90% of todays people younger than 25 have never traveled outside of Serbia? Less than 20% of people have the passport. That's why they so easily refuse almost every EU offer - they don't know what they're missing out. The most of their political leaders today are from the time of Milosevic, who still today, even after he's dead, hold his dream of "Big Serbia" close to their hearts. Add to that russian "support" and you get the drift.

But people are generally very nice, you shouldn't have any problem.
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palcica
Apr. 25th, 2008 09:21 am (UTC)
I don't mind your long post :)

I have to disagree with something though - Milosevic wasn't just "kind of a bad dude" as you put it. He was really THE baddest dude in this whole situation. Everything started with him and his crazy ideas of "all Serbs in one state" and alike nonsenses.

I actually don't mind NATO intervention. It was necessary, because Milosevic had no intention to stop, and Kosovo today would probably be Albanians-free if NATO hadn't intervened. Plus they only bombed military targets, not civilian.

Zoran Djindjic was a big surprise for me - he really tried to make a normal state out of Serbia, but then the mafia, probably in close cooperation with Kostunica (as many suspect) killed him, and after one step forward, Serbia made 5 steps backward. So this is where they are now. In 20 days there are again elections, and it seems that radikals will finally win, which will bring them even more further away from the EU.

Kosovo has no chance to ever enter. Not just EU, but UN either. Russia will always stop it with veto (probably China too), because they both have regions that want to separate from them, like Kosovo did from Serbia. And they can't get into the EU, because all members have to ratify their entering, and that will never happen because not all EU members recognize their independence. So they're basically in a vakuum. In the end, what it comes down to - if they want to enter EU, they'll have to come to an agreement with Serbia, and accept some kind of autonomy instead of the full independence. Which they ofcourse will never do. I really don't see any bright future for them.

Just be careful when you go there.
bih_friend
Apr. 24th, 2008 07:32 pm (UTC)
I took a course that didn't continue for lack of students. I joined three of my class mates and formed a study group using this guide: www.nema-problema.de/ Can be used to self teach.
bih_friend
Apr. 24th, 2008 07:26 pm (UTC)
It was very nice of you to jump in!! I enjoy reading your comments!
palcica
Apr. 25th, 2008 01:38 pm (UTC)
Thanks! :)
bih_friend
Apr. 23rd, 2008 07:43 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the pictures! The last time I was in Zagreb was September 12, 2001. I will have to bring my wife some time!!
palcica
Apr. 24th, 2008 08:06 am (UTC)
You're welcome! :)
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